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| KrillXIII Posts: 62 Registered: 01-25-2010 Message 1 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster 09-21-2010 11:50 AM This thread is for discussion of Another Monster, the novel-sequel to the manga/anime Monster by Naoki Urasawa, as well as further discussion of Monster in light of Another Monster. If you have not seen or read Monster, I do not suggest reading this thread. There will probably spoilers galore. Instead I urge you to go watch or read it as soon as you can. It is a truly excellent series. Most of it is on Hulu, and it will all be on Hulu by the time you've caught up. I'll kick off the discussion if necessary, but it's been about a year since I read the 19 or so translated chapters. I'll read those today/tommorrow and post my own thoughts if this thread is beset by the chirping of crickets in the meantime. |
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naraku361 Posts: 49,376 Registered: 03-31-2005 Message 2 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to KrillXIII - Message ID#: 56598798 09-22-2010 12:04 AM 1. I've never heard of this. I'll probably read it. 2. Why the hell do we have 5 Monster threads on the first page? :| |
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Megiddo Posts: 23,573 Registered: 08-05-2003 Message 3 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to naraku361 - Message ID#: 56610608 09-22-2010 12:24 AM Because it's on SyFy. |
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GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 4 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to KrillXIII - Message ID#: 56598798 09-22-2010 12:45 AM Instead of reading the whole thing in one gulp, can we like all read a chapter and then talk about it? Maybe one a week, or one every 3 or four days? I know it would take me a couple of weeks to find time to read it all again. |
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foryouwhynot Posts: 27,216 Registered: 10-30-2005 Message 5 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to KrillXIII - Message ID#: 56598798 09-22-2010 05:30 AM They locked the Monster thread...guess we're done talking about it! |
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| KrillXIII Posts: 62 Registered: 01-25-2010 Message 6 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to foryouwhynot - Message ID#: 56612546 09-22-2010 09:01 AM Sure, Gina, how about two chapters a week? |
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| naraku361 Posts: 49,376 Registered: 03-31-2005 Message 7 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to Megiddo - Message ID#: 56610876 09-22-2010 12:11 PM
3 out of 4 threads were made within the past couple days. It's been on SyFy for ages. :| |
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| Megiddo Posts: 23,573 Registered: 08-05-2003 Message 8 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to naraku361 - Message ID#: 56615650 09-22-2010 12:56 PM Because it just ended on SyFy? |
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Fuku_Yuri Posts: 18,334 Registered: 08-10-2003 Message 9 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to KrillXIII - Message ID#: 56598798 09-22-2010 01:44 PM Hopefully he picks up the pace with this one. |
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CG-LOVER Posts: 18,098 Registered: 10-27-2008 Message 10 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to foryouwhynot - Message ID#: 56612546 09-22-2010 02:40 PM A new thread was created for post-series discussion. |
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| naraku361 Posts: 49,376 Registered: 03-31-2005 Message 11 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to Megiddo - Message ID#: 56616394 09-22-2010 10:38 PM Yet only one of them is related to the SyFy run in any way, shape, or form? |
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| foryouwhynot Posts: 27,216 Registered: 10-30-2005 Message 12 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to CG-LOVER - Message ID#: 56618038 09-23-2010 05:33 AM That's ok, I'm good |
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| GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 13 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to foryouwhynot - Message ID#: 56630526 09-23-2010 09:43 AM Well, I've re-read through Chapter 2, which seems like a good stopping place for the first round. It's enough to give people a taste of what the book is like, without overwhelming them with information (all the new names and places were kind of hard for me to process in the introduction, but I read slow, and absorb even slower, so maybe that's just me). What do y'all think? Who's here? So far, just like last time, pretty much none of the posts have anything to do with the topic, so it's hard to tell who's interested in discussing this. :) Should we give people until Monday to find and read the beginning before we start the discussion, or is that too long to wait? Again, to find this just google "Another Monster," and pick the obvious link. I received my copy yesterday, and now I understand that Naoki Urawsawa co-authored this with Werner Weber, and Takashi Nagasaki acted as translator. So apparently at least part of this was originally written in German, I guess (wish I had that manuscript!). It's a lovely book - I've never seen a paperback with a dust cover before, and it's front and back facing pages are red, textured paper. :) On top of the dust cover's front illustration is a thick, silkscreened splash of blood in enamel paint (the actual cover is in b&w). There are illustrations and photographs throughout, including a photo of a German newspaper article about the serial killings - there really are times in this where it's done so realistically you wonder if they're referencing actual events and working them into the Monster story. I'm still not completely certain it's 100% fiction... >.> |
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| foryouwhynot Posts: 27,216 Registered: 10-30-2005 Message 14 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to GinaSzamboti - Message ID#: 56644050 09-24-2010 05:11 AM That time-line sounds reasonable |
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ben0119 Posts: 31,467 Registered: 07-16-2003 Message 15 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to KrillXIII - Message ID#: 56598798 09-24-2010 12:33 PM Okay, so I was thinking about some of the things Gina said and maybe I will read this now after all. Since according to her, it supposedly reads like a data log or journal as oppose to a page-turning novel, and even has a more coherent time line of the events in Monster, I may just check it out after all. ;) And if it isn't like a strict novel per se, it won't be as annoying when I get to the end of the translated chapters. I figure we could read one or two chapters, and come back in here on Monday to discuss what we've read during the week. It would be an easy schedule to go by because we used to have two episodes of the original Anime on Monday. :) Of course, you could discuss whatever the current point we are at throughout the week, but whenever you decide to read the next Chapter(s), you'd probably want to wait until Monday to discuss it, if that makes any sense. I thought it would have been better to have a cooling off period and let Monster settle in on our brains, and sink in, but maybe it would be better to jump into this while it is fresh on our mind and some of the gang is still around. :) |
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| GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 16 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to beon0119 - Message ID#: 56650768 09-24-2010 03:14 PM That's kind of what I was thinking. We're all locked into a Monster Monday schedule already, so... Everybody read the Intro, Preface and on through Chapter 2 (Kenzo Tenma) over the weekend! :) Any time on Monday is fair game for whoever wants to start. |
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| ben0119 Posts: 31,467 Registered: 07-16-2003 Message 17 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to GinaSzamboti - Message ID#: 56653162 09-24-2010 05:22 PM Sounds like a plan! ;) Start what? |
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| GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 18 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to beon0119 - Message ID#: 56654714 09-24-2010 05:39 PM Start talking about what they read? |
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| ben0119 Posts: 31,467 Registered: 07-16-2003 Message 19 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to GinaSzamboti - Message ID#: 56654900 09-24-2010 06:37 PM Uhh, well yeah... |
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| GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 20 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to beon0119 - Message ID#: 56655754 09-26-2010 05:01 PM Why did you ask me in the first place if you thought the answer was "well yeah" obvious? oO I mean, it was obvious, which is why I put a question mark on my answer to signify that I wasn't sure what you were asking about. |
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| ben0119 Posts: 31,467 Registered: 07-16-2003 Message 21 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to GinaSzamboti - Message ID#: 56682262 09-26-2010 06:28 PM It was obvious when you said it, but what you had before could mean start anything. |
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| mrsticky005 Posts: 84 Registered: 10-27-2009 Message 22 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to beon0119 - Message ID#: 56683616 09-27-2010 09:56 PM If they ever make the live action Monster movie (which I have my doubts). I think Geoffrey Palmer would be a good choice for Captain Karel Lanke https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEivYK_zPK6m479UnQqmf2DPpp7176pjQnTp_rZtCEKRWMRCT5A9tZykEKhORWSOzPVIsBEFhC-4YClJXtIpJ-J0tc3Z0Z0z-zNki4kh1K41qnKeYNy72n8N2ftllc6FyTPmz3u3BspP1os/s400/gp.jpg |
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| GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 23 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to beon0119 - Message ID#: 56683616 09-27-2010 11:46 PM Ok, so I'm assuming everyone from here on out has read from the beginning through Chapter 2. There will be spoilers. :) I think the premise of this novel is just brilliant. Whoever the journalist is, he seems insightful enough to give Lunge a run for his money. Dorn seems to be inspired (or have inspired, not going to look up the timeline) Light Yagami. :) So I guess the mysteries of the introduction are, who killed Carek and why? Chapter 1 mentioned that Eisler Memorial went downhill after the murder of the Dr. Heinemann and ended up moving from Düsseldorf to Niedersachsen. So it appears that he was actually essential to the success of the hospital after all and not just a power- and money-seeking jerk. Even Tenma's stellar reputation couldn't save the place. I love Chapter 2! All those wonderful little details about young Kenzo! Especially the very Tenma-esque outcome of the hide and seek story. But ouch...poor Tenma. Not often you hear of a mother who favors her step-children over her own. :/ I wonder what that was all about. I'm kind of scatterbrained tonight (can't seem to find the words I'm looking for), so that's all I have to say for now. :) |
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johannaliebert Posts: 3 Registered: 05-28-2010 Message 24 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to GinaSzamboti - Message ID#: 56705678 09-28-2010 08:17 AM I find it very thoughtful how Tenma's mother really prefers her step son over her own child, as you said. It looks similar with Johan and, basically, our human emotions and acts. First i thought maybe Johan really escaped from the hospital and killed Carek, but he got no reason to do it. It has to be someone else. Maybe another child from the reading seminars that took place in the Red Rose Mansion or maybe the experiment continued in another country. Although it is early to say it, because this will come later in Another Monster, i find it mysterious and strange that whenever the journalist asks "Is it true that Johan is still in a coma?" some of the interviewees answered something like "that's what i heard". It gives me the creeps, it's like Johan is out there, but that would ruin Urasawa's Monster. I've already read the translated chapters and i'm dying to know what happens further. Ah, wait! Who's the guy with the books? Another Bonaparta i guess, he he. |
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| KrillXIII Posts: 62 Registered: 01-25-2010 Message 25 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to GinaSzamboti - Message ID#: 56705678 09-28-2010 06:11 PM Not much to say on the first two chapters I'm afraid. Tenma's characterization didn't have many surprises, and I don't say that just because I've read it before. :-р The introductory portions regarding Carek and Kottman are interesting, but won't have any light illuminated on them until much later, since this is Urasawa. The journalist is probably correct, but there's too much ambiguity at this point to guess the identity and motives of the accomplice. |
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Shounen_Legend Posts: 5,246 Registered: 10-22-2006 Message 26 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to KrillXIII - Message ID#: 56598798 09-29-2010 02:54 PM What?! There's a sequel? Gahhh... I'm going to have to re-watch Monster; I haven't seen it in about five years, and there's just WAY too much details that I will have forgotten... To hell with it! This gives me the excuse I needed to buy the series, aside from the fact that it just might be my all-time favorite anime. I have no **NaClO** clue why I haven't bought it yet, considering the rage I remember when waiting for it to get licensed.. |
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| Megiddo Posts: 23,573 Registered: 08-05-2003 Message 27 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to Shounen_Legend - Message ID#: 56729012 09-29-2010 04:44 PM You're going to rage even more considering Viz only put out the first set (15 episodes) and that was nearly a year ago. No word at all of if/when the second set will be released. |
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| GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 28 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to johannaliebert - Message ID#: 56708274 09-30-2010 10:19 PM Huh, somehow that never occurred to me, but now that you point it out, I'm sure that was an intentional correlation. :) How would Johann still being out there ruin Monster? It almost feels to me like it would ruin it if it weren't Johann behind all this in one way or another (I guess "ruin" is too strong a word here). Like there was no particular reason why it was Johann in the first place, if others just like him could just as easily be created. |
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| johannaliebert Posts: 3 Registered: 05-28-2010 Message 29 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to GinaSzamboti - Message ID#: 56751094 10-01-2010 09:07 AM Well, how should i put it... At least i think Johan's escape would ruin the manga/anime because it looks like the whole thing have been for nothing (well, not, but...). You know. The whole story began, the mystery has been solved and in the end Johan escapes to kill, to start anew or something else, after Tenma saved his life again? I don't want to believe that. I'm prone to believe in any other idea than that he escaped from the hospital. But, as you said, 'ruin' is strong word here. No matter what the ending means, Monster will stay in my heart till i'm alive :). And i remember i was a little frightened when i read Another Monster twice. Alone at home, complete silence and you're reading and reading and some parts gave me the creeps, ha ha. The chance of another Red Rose Mansion in another country is very high, i guess, but we are left with the question: Why those people (whoever they are 'continuing' the experiment) would kill Carek? What's their purpose? Maybe we won't find the answers 'cause nobody's translating AM :(. It's against what you suggested Gina (to discuss two chapters a week and what i'll say is in the later ones), but another thing that caught my attention was about the murdered people from the mansion. It was in chapter 13 (Suk's chapter). As far as i remember he said that the bodies were that of ''40 men, 4 women, and 2 children''. Two children? Who were they? What were they doing there? I begin to believe there's something supernatural in Monster and that makes it even more of a masterpiece. Sorry if i wrote something wrong or didn't understand your point completely, but english is not my native language (and that **NaClO** xD ). |
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| GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 30 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to johannaliebert - Message ID#: 56755004 10-01-2010 01:40 PM No, your English is fine and I see your point. I guess looking at it that way, I'd be okay with it either way. :) I'm working on a rudimentary translation of the unfinished chapters (though it's going to take a loooooong time (first thing I have to figure out is how to keyboard in kanji, but I've made some headway there) and still probably end up being incomprehensible). Maybe someone will actually do it right by the time I'm done. :) I found a Spanish translation of the preface, but that seems to be all that's available, so unfortunately that's no help. Since it looks like there's only the three of us interested in discussing this, we could speed up to 3 or 4 chapters a week, but this week I'd like to stick with just the next two (maybe if people don't get too far behind they'll join in?). As Krill pointed out, there's not a lot to talk about yet. As for the supernatural possibility, I'm inclined to agree with you, but I think we might be in the minority opinion there. :) |
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| johannaliebert Posts: 3 Registered: 05-28-2010 Message 31 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to GinaSzamboti - Message ID#: 56757084 10-01-2010 03:31 PM And how we see the curtain waved right before Temna sees Johan staring at him. It's like the 'ghost', the 'evil' entered the room, lol. This is awesome :). For me, when a show leaves a little mystery unanswered it just adds more to its glory, or when it makes us guessing and thinking even after it ends. When i read your reasons about the supernatural aspect of the show... Well, let's just say that i love it. You know what? Now i'm frightened even more :O. |
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| GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 32 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to johannaliebert - Message ID#: 56758098 10-01-2010 09:22 PM I forgot to include that the series had already sort of established/foreshadowed a psychic link between Tenma and Johann (at least for those who prefer that explanation). During the Munich arc, when Tenma had Johann in his sights, Johann turned and looked directly at him...twice. The library, well, that could be just Johann's uncanny insight, and recognizing where the most tactical place for Tenma to be was, but out and about in the forest with Schuwald? He was out and about with him a lot, yet he never zeroed in on Tenma like that until Tenma had a gunsight on him. And given that Tenma was looking through a scope, I don't think Johann could actually see Tenma, and yet he knew right where to focus to look him in the eye. :) |
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| GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 33 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to GinaSzamboti - Message ID#: 56763426 10-10-2010 02:59 PM I had some stuff to say about Lunge's chapter, but I got sidetracked. I need to start taking notes as I read so I can remember what I wanted to say. Or just post as I read the chapter. I think the one thing I really liked about Eva's chapter is the confirmation that love hasn't lifted the scales from her eyes and suddenly changed her world view. She's a better human being for all this, but she's still no angel. I like the believablitly of that. |
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| GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 34 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to GinaSzamboti - Message ID#: 56885910 10-15-2010 11:03 PM I really enjoyed learning more about how Johann orchestrated the massacre at K511. I had to laugh at how the kids turned the tables on the instructors though (despite the outcome). I wonder if they didn't realize what was happening because they so badly underestimated the kids, or because they were too rigid in their hierarchical thinking (they wouldn't dare oppose their superiors!), or they believed they were immune to what they were teaching? And we get another chilling fairy tale - Poppe would have been proud. Rereading Frau (Frauline?) Tietz's description of Anna's activities, it actually sounds like more than just ordinary (if you find the phenomenon ordinary ;) ) "twins telepathy" going on. She seems to have been holding actual mental conversations with him, which would certainly explain the "I am you and you are me" conviction that Johann has. On the translation front, I found a nice translation of The Awakening Monster, which I'll post when we get there. I also noticed that according to the copyright and publishing information, which is in English, this was first published in Austria in 2002. So why is there no German-language edition to be found anywhere? I'm not even sure that's true - I can't find a trace of any "Idee Publishing, Inc., Vienna" anywhere on the web (though I did find an organization called Institute for Democracy in Eastern Europe (IDEE), but it's in D.C.). The copyright is shared by Urasawa and Werner Weber, but I'm also starting to believe that, despite the photo of Weber (who looks remarkably like Klaus Poppe...) on the dust jacket, he too is part of the fiction that is Another Monster. Because the preface of The Awakening Monster says this (dunno whether to call this a spoiler or not - depends, I guess...): "
So I really don't know what to make of this. But I think our collective leg may be being pulled here... :) As for the translation of the remaining chapters, I have come to realize that it's impossible for me to do (not sure my eyes are going to hold out, squinting at the tiny font in the book), but I'm not giving up yet, because I'm learning a lot. I think I know most of the hiragana and katakana now, but I'm having a helluva time parsing the kanji in multi-kanji characters so I can find them to enter them into my lame AppleWorks which doesn't grok Unicode, so I have to copy them into Text Editor and then copy and paste into Works, which is extreeeeeeeeeeeemely tedious. I'm just saying I'm not sure I can ever come up with anything that would satisfy someone besides me. :) It turns out I'm pretty dyslexic in Japanese, so I have to watch out for transcription errors. Even when I get it right, it's no secret that translators leave much to be desired. For example, entering a sentence gives me this: "Those where you know that [kenzo] escapes were the lobby of the hotel of [deyutsuserudoruhu]." (Babelfish) or "Kenzo learned that the desertion was Deyutsuserudorufu hotel lobby." (Google). I found a Japanese site that gave me this: "It was in the lobby at the hotel of [deyutsuserudorufu] to know Kenzo had escaped," which was the ah-ha! moment where I realized the sentence said, "In the lobby of the hotel in Dusseldorf, I learned that Kenzo had escaped." But they're not all that easy to decipher. :) Probably most of them aren't. Maybe by the time we're through Chapter 19 I'll have something to show for Chapter 20. :) We'll see... |
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| GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 35 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to GinaSzamboti - Message ID#: 56968830 10-17-2010 12:31 PM Something that occurred to me while reading Tietz's interview is that, given the scene with Tenma, and now this revelation of his telepathy with Anna, Johann wouldn't necessarily have to be awake to be influencing/guiding the new serial killer... He might be using him for his arms and legs to continue finishing off people who had anything to do with the program. >:) Do we think Carek's background suggests he was part of it? Feeling a little more optimistic after getting a page done and having it actually make some sort of sense. :) None of my translators could decipher "niyu-su" (ニユース), so I googled it and realized from a Yahoo page that it's "news". :D Made my day. I can tell by the views stats that people are reading this thread. Why is it such an echo chamber in here? :( |
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Spindack Posts: 5,246 Registered: 04-13-2005 Message 36 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to GinaSzamboti - Message ID#: 56988782 10-29-2010 06:37 PM I didn't see a plot summary for Another Monster in this thread. I am interested to here a synopsis of the novel. What exactly happens in the sequel? Anyone care to summarize for me? I'm too tired to read this thread extensively right away... |
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| Spindack Posts: 5,246 Registered: 04-13-2005 Message 37 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to Shounen_Legend - Message ID#: 56729012 10-29-2010 06:43 PM That's a laugh. Not to be critical or nuthin, but....Monster began airing in 2004...IN JAPAN. I'm afraid that when YOU were watching it it wasn't released yet. :-D |
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| Megiddo Posts: 23,573 Registered: 08-05-2003 Message 38 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to Spindack - Message ID#: 57183782 10-29-2010 07:13 PM It was released... via fansubs. |
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| Spindack Posts: 5,246 Registered: 04-13-2005 Message 39 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to Megiddo - Message ID#: 57184168 10-29-2010 08:36 PM You mean before the TV airing in Japan in 04? If so, that would make quite a bit more sense, what with licensing delays and all....But still, how do YOU know he/she just meant "5 years as a figure of speech" (and not "1 or 2", seeing as it didn't even air on American television officially, when most found out about it, in 2010 or so? Shouldn't he/she be the one clarifying that instead of you, considering he/she is the one making the claim?? |
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| Spindack Posts: 5,246 Registered: 04-13-2005 Message 40 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to Spindack - Message ID#: 57185134 10-29-2010 08:43 PM Still hoping someone can explain what exactly Another Monster is about to me....Do you know megiddo? |
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| Megiddo Posts: 23,573 Registered: 08-05-2003 Message 41 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to Spindack - Message ID#: 57185228 10-29-2010 08:59 PM Can't say I do. |
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| Spindack Posts: 5,246 Registered: 04-13-2005 Message 42 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to Megiddo - Message ID#: 57185482 10-30-2010 09:59 PM Dang. I guess that means not many people are familiar with Monster's sequel series yet.... :-( |
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| GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 43 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to Spindack - Message ID#: 57191000 10-30-2010 01:23 PM Dang, I got all excited thinking there was a real discussion breaking out. :( (btw, you do know this is 2010, right? oO Five years ago would be late 2005, so... I think that's about when I first watched it too.) Here's the Engrish blurb on the cover of the book: "Johan incident" once spooked Germany. But the truth of the incident is still left undisclosed. This document is a vivid report of the "Johan incident" put together by an Austrian journalist, who found similarities between the "Johan incident" and a murder case that happened in the suburbs of Salzburg for which the writer was in the field. Are you ready to accept the striking reality that emerged out of the report!? What is the reason and the process behind the destruction of "511 Kinderheim" and how did it happen? What is the secret and the purpose behind the experiment that took place at the "Red Rose Mansion"? Who were Franz Bonaparta and the mother of the twins? And the story of the animated cartoon "The Magnificient Steiner" will now first to be unveiled! What are the sinister horror novel "Dorn im Dunklen" and the picture book "Das Schlafende Monstrum"?... A full reveal of the memo in Grimmer's note... The mystery lurked in the picture book that was newly found...and is there another monster!? Basically, it's a reporter investigating the events of Monster to shed light on a new set of murders. It recaps a lot of the series, with new little tidbits of info. No one who doesn't read Japanese knows how it turns out since the translator abandoned all his projects a few years ago, and all who have read the whole thing are apparently keeping quiet about it. That in itself is a mystery to me. I'm up to Chapter 11 now (the end of part I). I don't recall knowing that Reichwein knew Tenma when he was in college. I know that he was one of Rudi's professors (or was it just that they knew each other as colleagues?), but somehow it didn't occur to me that that implied he also taught Tenma. They never acted like they'd known each other before in the anime. -------adventures in translation-------- I'm actually making some progress translating Chapter 20. So far I don't see much new information yet (except maybe Martin's last name, unless we knew that and I've forgotten). Once I figure out what it may actually say, rather than the gibberish the translators spit out, there might be something good. :) But no matter how my flailing efforts turn out, the exercise has provided me a few chuckles that make it worthwhile. I was startled to be reading along a paragraph that sort of made sense when suddenly I was confronted with the flat statement, "Kira is bukkake." Who knew? :) I was also unsure of what to make of the translation, "She is exactly the dwarf Tei," until I realized that I'd entered ね instead of わ. It amazes me how much a single character can completely change the ability of the translator to interpret the entire sentence. I've found about 3 such errors so far, but hopefully, after the first couple of paragraphs while I was still learning the characters, I won't have to deal with so many of those. But even though I've transcribed it correctly, I still can't figure out where the one translator came up with, "I noticed that there was hearing the aunt food," in one sentence. :D Fortunately, the other translators rescued me on that one. |
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| Spindack Posts: 5,246 Registered: 04-13-2005 Message 44 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to GinaSzamboti - Message ID#: 57192884 10-30-2010 08:03 PM Me??? Real Discussion??? Perish the thought! lol But I am looking forward to when Another Monster officially becomes a manga/anime or maybe just a manga or anime. I only know how to speak a tiny bit of basic Japanese. I'm afraid I'm still an extreme beginning to that wonderful language system, so I doubt I'd be of much assisstance to you in your translation journeys... I do like Japanese novels more than I used to though, if that counts for anything... |
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| GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 45 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to Spindack - Message ID#: 57198208 10-30-2010 11:41 PM Well, I really don't see any further adaptations happening. Read it and you'll see why. |
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| Spindack Posts: 5,246 Registered: 04-13-2005 Message 46 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to GinaSzamboti - Message ID#: 57201898 10-31-2010 05:10 AM I guess I'll just have to put the book on my reading list then I suppose.... |
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Metatronda Posts: 22,187 Registered: 02-25-2004 Message 47 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to Spindack - Message ID#: 57185134 10-31-2010 04:33 PM Umm...do you know what year it is? You're aware that 2004 was 6 years ago, right? And that Monster ended in September 2005, thus being over 5 years ago? Are you new to the internet and don't know how fansubs work or something? |
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| Spindack Posts: 5,246 Registered: 04-13-2005 Message 48 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to Metatronda - Message ID#: 57210506 10-31-2010 10:40 PM 2222 in my universe....heh |
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| GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 49 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to Spindack - Message ID#: 57217352 11-06-2010 01:00 PM Ok, I've reread up through Chapter 13. I think the Chapter on Suk is one of the best so far. I hope the mystery of who the two children were is explained, but I suspect it won't be. Evidently Nina was not the only child brought there, but does that mean she (or Johann) wasn't always considered The One? Perhaps she was just the only one who survived the sensory deprivation test with her sanity intact? I was also intrigued (creeped out, actually) by the history of the Red Rose Mansion and the urban legend surrounding it. This is more evidence to me that Urasawa intended for there to be a supernatural undercurrent to all this. It seems unlikely that children, unless they were steeped in a fundamentalist environment all their lives, would independently imagine a monster with 7 heads and 10 horns. I am sooo glad Chapter 12 is already translated! I think trying to decipher all those foreign names would have broken me. :) Very interesting chapter though. -------adventures in translation-------- Well, I have finished Chapter 20!!! This may be possible after all, if I don't burn out first. There are still a couple of sentences I need to run by someone who actually knows Japanese, but I think I've got it essentially correct, and for me that's good enough. I'm still disappointed in all the transcription errors I keep making (some are just typos that I didn't notice at the time, but a couple of times I just completely left out characters somehow). Still, I expect that to improve as I go along. Hopefully, I can get around to getting new glasses before the end of the year. The funniest error this time was inadvertently substituting に for い. Twice. :/ The translation that came out in Google was: Arrival bullets were detected from the dead man Zossenhaimu alligator incidents are linked Tatsu Nohu. Questions, or ...... WTF dead in rented room ...... WTF why Asians with long hair... (the alligator was another error, substituting わ for ち) Babelfish thinks にた just means "it is," while Excite didn't even try to guess, but for some reason Google translates that as WTF (the capitalized letters, I'm not filter dodging). :D Sometimes the sentences are so complex it seems like I can just see the translators throwing up their hands and saying, "I give up, here are some words, you figure it out." They'll just put up a bunch of pronouns and verbs that have not a semblance of grammar in any language. Maybe that's a good thing though. I'm (agonizingly) slowly learning more about particles.... :) |
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| GinaSzamboti Posts: 27,612 Registered: 09-16-2003 Message 50 of 529 |
Re: Another Monster Reply to GinaSzamboti - Message ID#: 57299094 11-27-2010 12:01 PM Just reread Chapters 14-15 I think titling the chapter The Red Rose Mansion was sort of a cheat, since it had almost nothing to do with the mansion. But we get a little more info on Bonaparta, including his father. Seriously, Franz was a monster all on his own, never mind the ones he created. "Oh, I've got this new method for controlling people, I think I'll try it on dear old dad." Also, I didn't quite understand his comment about his method guaranteed to make two people fall in love, but not useable to make someone fall in love with you. Unless there is a suggestion that if you would use it on someone, you must not love them, and so the mutual love would not develop according to plan. Hard to judge without knowing the plan. However, it does imply that the love between Anna and the twins' father was part of the plan, and not just predicted. I wonder if all the other couples they selected fell in love too. Poppe's rejected "Rosemary's Baby" story was interesting too. :) Clearly his love for Anna really did change him, though it was too late by then. I don't think I understand why Ranke needed an alias. If the police and everyone else knows you by your alias, I think your birth name becomes the alias at that point. I guess this seems backwards to me. You commit your crimes under your real name, and adopt an alias to keep people from finding you, or associating you with your crimes, once you leave off being a criminal. I mean, I get the point of Ranke also being one of the people who in effect has had his name taken away (except that apparently he discarded it himself). But he's not like Batman, leading a dual life that he's trying to keep separate. If he ever goes back to his real name, it will be like hiding out under an alias. -------adventures in translation-------- Done transcribing Chapter 21, now to see what it says. :) I've gotten much faster at the transcription (I can fly through the hiragana strings now, and some of the katakana names - some of the small characters still give me grief, just trying to recognize whether they're small or not), but unless I learn to type more of the kanji, I might have already hit my upper speed limit. :/ edit: crap, they just changed fonts in the middle of a sentence for no apparent reason. It looks like someone's chicken-scratch handwriting, with much thinner lines. The lines inside boxes don't even go all the way to the sides. Hopefully, I won't run into any characters I don't recognize yet until they change back. Sheesh, as if the tiny fonts weren't hard enough on my eyes as it is... :/ |
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